I think the main argument against capital punishment is that the jury may be wrong about the facts and convict an innocent. And, as everyone knows, there is no way to undo the hanging. In some cases, the jury, a jury from the people not from the government, becomes a collective murderer and deserves hanging too, according to its own axioms.
Hhhhmmmmmm.
Maybe we could use AI to make a choice to hang them or not, and we can wash our hands from this difficult dilemma. No one would complain. It's high tech morality!
I agree that Capital Punishment can't be supported in the organized crime government's fraudulent, corrupt, masonic-infested court system... The interesting thing brought up in the article is that there isn't really any disagreement on the facts for politicians and police... You don't really have to have a trial as they are de-facto immoral and guilty by participating in the immoral and illogical system and keeping their neighbors in tax slavery and imprisoning them for victimless crimes. It is essentially the case that economist Dr. Robert Higgs makes in his logical syllogism which could just as easily be slightly re-written for politicians :
The "good/bad cop" question can be disposed of decisively. We need only consider the following:
i. Every cop has agreed, as part of his job, is to enforce laws; all of them.
ii. Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, or even cruel and wicked.
iii. Therefore, every cop has agreed to act as an enforcer of laws that are manifestly unjust, or even cruel and wicked.
There are no good cops.
~ Dr. Robert Higgs
It would be different for Pedophiles but the thought experiment there is what if a Pedophile was caught in the act by 12 just men (and/or women) and they convened a jury right there...
I don't want to save politicians or the police from the righteous anger of anarchists, which is also my anger, and I think it's not only rational from the logic but also true from the premise: there is no special category of people who are morally allowed to commit actual crimes by virtue of their position in the artificial hierarchy of the state.
But, let me play devil's advocate some more.
Do the police know the danger for their lives caused by their confused belief that they may kill, steal or kidnap people legally and morally because they wear a costume?
Not that their ignorance exonerates them. But if I would find one naive policeman (and there may be none) maybe it would be morally preferable to offer him a different punishment than hanging. After tying his hands with nylon cable ties (because of global warming,) I would explain why his actions are immoral and why he must either make reparations or hang.
The reparations part is difficult in some cases. Penance may be useful. For example, if a man is now free of confusion and chooses to seclude himself to show his victims of kidnapping that he has changed his mind, and seeks their forgiveness. Which they may not concede.
Again, it's not the case that their illegal kidnapping is undone because the criminal kidnaps himself. They don't have to forgive.
His victims may choose to hang him even after penance, but I, not being a victim of that particular crime, may not be so sure that the policeman is exactly the same man after penance, and maybe it's better to let him live.
Of course, we have to go case by case, empirically.
In most cases I wouldn't oppose to hang them right after finding them in flagrante delicto, of which there are many every day. But as I'm advocating for the devil, I think I can say we may be missing something good, in some cases, by passing deadly justice too fast.
For politicians no, I would not advocate. They know what they are. It would be best to give them lethal doses of qu1nine without even convening a jury.
But for some police officers, and even for some tax collectors, maybe... maybe there is a chance that hanging them is not just.
Maybe cold logic is excessive and wasteful, in some cases.
Disclaimer: I'm not a police officer or related to a police officer or to the military, but I would have LOVED to be a police officer in the spring of 2020, and go to any parliament of any country, and handcuff all the people there and put them against a wall, and I don't think any policeman who would have done that to those Spring o' 2020 politicians should be tried for that, because that would not have been a crime.
There was another "P" that's omitted, that being "Physicians" who knowingly with eyes wide open applied substances and procedures to harm and kill in violation of their Oath.
Hospital administrators mandating this corrupted "therapy" should be first in line.
Somehow, nearly everyone associated with lamestream media lies, and schoolroom misinformation and communism enthusiasts (teachers) should be in the line to the gallows as well.
They all know it should be coming. It won't be a surprise for them.
I’ve traditionally been against capital punishment- not on a philosophical level, but purely because the justice system is corrupt and the idea of executing innocent people is terrifying.
That said, it wouldn’t really be difficult to get this wrong with politicians- they’re absolutely visible, we all see what they do, and the outcomes. So yes, I’m all for it.
I think the main argument against capital punishment is that the jury may be wrong about the facts and convict an innocent. And, as everyone knows, there is no way to undo the hanging. In some cases, the jury, a jury from the people not from the government, becomes a collective murderer and deserves hanging too, according to its own axioms.
Hhhhmmmmmm.
Maybe we could use AI to make a choice to hang them or not, and we can wash our hands from this difficult dilemma. No one would complain. It's high tech morality!
I agree that Capital Punishment can't be supported in the organized crime government's fraudulent, corrupt, masonic-infested court system... The interesting thing brought up in the article is that there isn't really any disagreement on the facts for politicians and police... You don't really have to have a trial as they are de-facto immoral and guilty by participating in the immoral and illogical system and keeping their neighbors in tax slavery and imprisoning them for victimless crimes. It is essentially the case that economist Dr. Robert Higgs makes in his logical syllogism which could just as easily be slightly re-written for politicians :
The "good/bad cop" question can be disposed of decisively. We need only consider the following:
i. Every cop has agreed, as part of his job, is to enforce laws; all of them.
ii. Many of the laws are manifestly unjust, or even cruel and wicked.
iii. Therefore, every cop has agreed to act as an enforcer of laws that are manifestly unjust, or even cruel and wicked.
There are no good cops.
~ Dr. Robert Higgs
It would be different for Pedophiles but the thought experiment there is what if a Pedophile was caught in the act by 12 just men (and/or women) and they convened a jury right there...
I don't want to save politicians or the police from the righteous anger of anarchists, which is also my anger, and I think it's not only rational from the logic but also true from the premise: there is no special category of people who are morally allowed to commit actual crimes by virtue of their position in the artificial hierarchy of the state.
But, let me play devil's advocate some more.
Do the police know the danger for their lives caused by their confused belief that they may kill, steal or kidnap people legally and morally because they wear a costume?
Not that their ignorance exonerates them. But if I would find one naive policeman (and there may be none) maybe it would be morally preferable to offer him a different punishment than hanging. After tying his hands with nylon cable ties (because of global warming,) I would explain why his actions are immoral and why he must either make reparations or hang.
The reparations part is difficult in some cases. Penance may be useful. For example, if a man is now free of confusion and chooses to seclude himself to show his victims of kidnapping that he has changed his mind, and seeks their forgiveness. Which they may not concede.
Again, it's not the case that their illegal kidnapping is undone because the criminal kidnaps himself. They don't have to forgive.
His victims may choose to hang him even after penance, but I, not being a victim of that particular crime, may not be so sure that the policeman is exactly the same man after penance, and maybe it's better to let him live.
Of course, we have to go case by case, empirically.
In most cases I wouldn't oppose to hang them right after finding them in flagrante delicto, of which there are many every day. But as I'm advocating for the devil, I think I can say we may be missing something good, in some cases, by passing deadly justice too fast.
For politicians no, I would not advocate. They know what they are. It would be best to give them lethal doses of qu1nine without even convening a jury.
But for some police officers, and even for some tax collectors, maybe... maybe there is a chance that hanging them is not just.
Maybe cold logic is excessive and wasteful, in some cases.
Disclaimer: I'm not a police officer or related to a police officer or to the military, but I would have LOVED to be a police officer in the spring of 2020, and go to any parliament of any country, and handcuff all the people there and put them against a wall, and I don't think any policeman who would have done that to those Spring o' 2020 politicians should be tried for that, because that would not have been a crime.
Who needs a list? Just hang the psychopaths. Job done!
There was another "P" that's omitted, that being "Physicians" who knowingly with eyes wide open applied substances and procedures to harm and kill in violation of their Oath.
Hospital administrators mandating this corrupted "therapy" should be first in line.
Somehow, nearly everyone associated with lamestream media lies, and schoolroom misinformation and communism enthusiasts (teachers) should be in the line to the gallows as well.
They all know it should be coming. It won't be a surprise for them.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
I’ve traditionally been against capital punishment- not on a philosophical level, but purely because the justice system is corrupt and the idea of executing innocent people is terrifying.
That said, it wouldn’t really be difficult to get this wrong with politicians- they’re absolutely visible, we all see what they do, and the outcomes. So yes, I’m all for it.
The other criminals can go to jail.