[Derrick} Broze's Blunder – The "No Virus" Debate Heats Up
A careless mistake.
Etienne's Note: One of the reasons that the 5th edition of "Government" – The Biggest Scam in History... Exposed! took so long to publish is that I was stuck trying to decide if Viruses are really what we have been told. I ended up reading a number of full-length books, including What Really Makes You Ill, Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits at Our Expense, and A Farewell to Virology – Expert Edition. I am 100% convinced that "The Covid" was the 3rd Biggest Scam in History... I am 97.58% convinced that "Viruses" are the 2nd Biggest Scam, but the missing piece for me has been a real debate where I could see the best experts on each side of the debate rebut the arguments of the other side. Now that this issue is blowing up the health freedom community, I am hoping that can be organized so we can put this issue to bed once and for all. Why hasn't Del Bigtree or CHD organized such a debate when they are constantly being called out by the other side for ignoring the issue? The best evidence I have seen for the no-virus side is if "viruses" and "gain-of-function" research are so deadly then why did the organized crime "government" have to resort to fake PCR tests? The NYT's tell-a-vision chicanery at Elmhurst Hospital?
I have seen this argument being made by some prominent people within the health freedom community that there is no need to debate the existence of “viruses” at this moment in time. After witnessing the incredible power of what the fear of an invisible boogeyman can bring about with the destructive lockdowns, quarantines, social distancing, mass testing, forced business closures, travel restrictions, mask and vaccine mandates, etc., these people are of the belief that there is no reason to argue against the existence of this dangerous weapon that was effectively used against us. They believe that we are winning by arguing within the germ theory pharmaceutical paradigm and that the time is not right to change course in order to bring this fraudulent house of cards crashing down. They believe that this debate will not ultimately lead to solutions that will ensure that this “viral” madness never happens again.
When asked why they are unwilling to touch upon this subject, some, like Robert Kennedy Jr., will state that questioning the existence of “viruses” is above their expertise level, as he admitted to investigative journalist Eric Coppolino in April 2022:
“Yeah, I really am not qualified to comment but I…my inclination if there are people who say the viruses don’t exist that there is no virus… I don’t, you know, my inclination is that, um, that simply is not, you know, that’s not true.”
“And I am kind of amused reading the exchanges and my inclination is that the viruses do exist and they do make people sick. I could be wrong. It could all be a big hoax, but to me, it all seems like, you know, viruses are real, and um so, look, I should have just shut up from the beginning and say I’m not gonna answer that question.”
“Again, I am not a good a good per— I am not a scientist. I don’t pretend to be. I find those arguments
interesting.”
-Robert Kennedy Jr.
In his response, RFK Jr. determined that he is not qualified to speak to the existence of “viruses” as he is not a scientist. However, he has concluded, apparently without investigating the matter, that the scientists are right about the existence of these entities. This is despite the fact that, even though Kennedy Jr. says he is not a scientist, he claims an expertise in reading scientific papers and spotting “junk science:”
Q: Do you have scientific training?
A: No. My background is I'm an environmental lawyer. I'm not a scientist. But I have an expertise, I would say, in reading science and spotting junk science because that's what I do with most of my time.
If it were truly the case that Kennedy Jr. is an expert at weeding out junk science, it is hard to see how he can continue to promote junk science as if it were real science with his fear propaganda headlines claiming that “SARS-COV-2” is a bioweapon that was engineered during gain of function experiments in Wuhan. It's difficult to see how he had enough expertise to read gain of function studies and yet, miss the junk science within them, in order to write an entire book about the existence of a “virus” when he admits to being unqualified to speak on the subject of the existence of “viruses” in the first place.
When Kennedy Jr.’s Children Health Defense was asked by Christine Massey about this unwillingness to examine the lack of scientific evidence supporting virology, Mary Holland, CHD's president, anonymously quoted their science advisor, Jay Couey, who said it lacked nuance and was not a viable position:
"While we agree that there have been many, many lies during covid, we believe that the situation is complicated, and that the ‘no virus’ stance lacks sufficient nuance to be the most viable position.”
The sentiment that attacking virology is not a viable strategy has been echoed by other prominent health freedom activists, such as Del Bigtree, as well. In a September 2022 interview with Derrick Broze, Del stated that the time was not right to change the game. In fact, he said we were winning by playing their game. If he was to discuss terrain theory and virology, he would need to leave the stadium filled with spectators while winning. He would need to go to a different stadium and build a different team and establish new rules. Thus, Bigtree concluded that he can not leave in the middle of the game. In other words, he must continue going on promoting “viruses” and gain of function narratives in order to keep on winning within the pharmaceutical playbook.
Del prefaced his odd sports analogy by stating that he was raised to believe that disease came from the mind. He didn't even go to doctors until he was an adult. His mother would allow any fevers to run their course without interference. However, Del did not address his beliefs or his background on The Doctors as he was enamored by the medical ideas and advancements he was promoting on his show. Through his interviews with scientists and virologists, he came to the realization that they do not know their own “science” and that their beliefs are akin to indoctrination. He believes that they have no understanding of the “immune system,” bacteria, and “viruses.” They assume that the science has been done when, in fact, this is not the case. Thus, Del feels that many base their germ theory assumptions upon the teachings that they received at the pharmaceutically-funded universities.
It is very frustrating as much of what Del speaks to rings true. He seems to understand the issues with germ theory and seemingly subscribed to terrain for most of his life. He believes that terrain theory needs funding in order to be further explored. However, he has some fundamental misunderstandings and differences as well. Del seems to believe that terrain theory teaches that “viruses” are created within the body when the environmental conditions require them in order for a cleansing to occur. However, there is no place for “viruses” within terrain theory. Del also offered that he disagreed that these microorganisms are only found within us, stating that they can invade our bodies from the outside. He felt that if one keeps their terrain clean, “viruses” and bacteria can not make one sick.
Thus, Del has mixed both germ theory and terrain theory together, which is something that I have recently seen from interviewer Derrick Broze and others as well. There is this middle ground that they are trying to play, almost as if they are afraid to upset the apple cart. Broze even cut Del off during the interview in order to interject that germ theory and terrain theory are not mutually exclusive, i.e. cannot occur simultaneously, and that they can coexist at the same time. He even made such a comment recently to users on Twitter where he stated that pathogens and terrain are not in conflict.
Thus, it is with this information in mind that I engaged in a Twitter exchange with Derrick Broze in an attempt to gain some clarity, not only on his position, but also as to why the “no virus” issue is not at the top of the playbook in terms of bringing about the winning play in order to ensure the final outcome of the game is in our favor. It wasn't a very long exchange, but it was rather informative, which is why I want to share it with you here. I also want to make the case to Broze, Bigtree, and Kennedy Jr. as to why we can not win this game until we stop playing by their rules. When the game is rigged, the only thing left to do is to change the game.
I want to be clear that this is not meant as an attack on Broze, or even Kennedy Jr., Bigtree, and others who share this belief that striking at the very foundations of germ theory and virology is not beneficial. This is an attempt to reconcile a fundamental sticking point that has driven a wedge within the health freedom community. I am focusing mostly on Derrick Broze here due to my exchange with him as well as a recent interview that he conducted with James Corbett. During this interview (at about the 20 minute mark), Broze asked a question to Corbett that he stated the “rabid” audience wanted him to ask. This is the “virus” question…which was never really addressed as Broze immediately shrugged off any discussion about the (lack of) scientific evidence and decided to, instead, focus on the so-called “rabid no virus” community. He wanted to talk about the “you are either with us, or against us” mentality that he said he has seen that leads to himself and others being labelled as controlled-opposition (CO). It was insinuated by Corbett that this approach, of labeling people like himself and Broze as CO based upon a single issue, is a part of a CIA plan to discredit them. Broze seemed to agree that, even though he did not have evidence of this being true, the “no virus” crowd may be an attempt to infiltrate and blow up the health freedom community.
Broze then decided to represent the “no virus” side in the interview by stating that we believe that addressing this issue will bring the whole house of cards tumbling down. However, he immediately stated that he did not agree with this position, thus throwing any unbiased objectivity out the door from his role-playing. Broze followed this up by claiming that communism, climate change, and alien invasions will be used against us even if we bring virology and germ theory down. He argued that those in control do not need the “plandemic” card if they can jump to something else. While there is truth to Broze's statement, this does not mean that we shouldn't focus on taking away the “plandemic” card from their arsenal of weapons so that they are incapable of using it against us again in the future. They already have the infrastructure in place to easily play this card whenever they desire in order to bring about further restrictions and control. Of Broze's list of potential scenarios, the “plandemic” card is by far the easiest and most viable option to be used against us in the near future.
As
Christine Massey's "germ" FOI Newsletter
also provided an excellent breakdown and commentary that focused on further problems with Broze and Corbett's discussion on the “no virus” issue, I wanted to share her analysis here as well:
Derrick Broze and James Corbett talk about how uncool it is for no-virus people to accuse yes-virus people of being controlled op (as if all no-virus people do this, and no yes-virus people do this)... and in the same breath speculate about no-virus people being cognitive infiltrators and "part of a plan" (as in "controlled op") lol.
Next Derek misrepresents no-virus people as naively thinking/claiming that getting the world to understand the no-virus reality will magically solve all problems. I don't know anyone who thinks or claims that. It would be a lot more useful if Derek interviewed some no-virus people instead of speculating and putting words in our mouths.
Next James asks Derek to stand in and speak for no-virus people (!!) and answer the question as to whether or not governments would have the right to violate people's bodily autonomy IF there really was a contagious health threat. Derek says "no" (so does everyone else that I know). But then James ironically goes on an almost-hysterical rant saying that anyone who answers "yes" is NOT part of the health freedom movement and is missing the whole point. It's almost as if he's trying to cause division over people's hypothetical answers to a hypothetical question.
James also claims that answering "no" to this hypothetical question is more important than addressing the real-world issue of whether or not we've been lied to all our lives about "viruses". What was the purpose of all this in the middle of a discussion about no-virus people, I wonder?
James also makes reference to some people not believing in bacterial infections. He seems not to realize that people are actually pointing out the lack of science showing that bacteria are the CAUSE of disease. He wouldn't have this misconception if he had just spoken to some well-known no-virus people instead of speculating about them. Meanwhile Derek keeps nodding and looking into the camera as if to say "those ridiculous no-virus people".
Next James claims that germ theory and terrain theory go together! And talks about how a healthy immune system will protect you from pathogens. Maybe someone will ask him to share the successful, valid germ theory controlled experiments that progressed a germ hypothesis to the theory stage.
Then Derek shared his "feeling" that there could be other reasons for the hundreds of failures by institutions in 40 countries to provide even 1 record of "SARS-COV-2" being purified from any alleged host (which would only be the 1st step necessary to show the existence of a "virus"). He speculates that maybe institutions really do have responsive records. Hmm, well if Derek knows of any such record, for any "virus" in the history of virology, I do hope he will share it with the rest of the world post haste.
Then James makes a ridiculous comment about how he supposedly filed a FOIA with the government for "isolated terrain" and got no records - which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever since terrain isn't a specific particle/thing that can be isolated/purified. He then quips that therefore "terrain theory doesn't exist", as if this shows that the hundreds of FOIs responses about imaginary viruses (which are alleged to be specific particles in "hosts") are actually irrelevant and useless. Derek nods smugly and laughs.
Are Derek and James really so clued out that they don't realize that the FOI responses align with what is seen in the published literature, and simply confirm what could already be seen?
There is a further problem with conversations such as this exchange between Broze and Corbett as well as the earlier example from Broze's interview with Del Bigtree. According to his biography, Derrick Broze considers himself an investigative journalist:
“Derrick Broze is a freelance investigative journalist, activist, author, public speaker, and current candidate for Mayor of Houston. For the last ten years, Derrick has been active in Houston as a journalist and activist seeking to expose local corruption and give a voice to ignored Houstonians. As a candidate for Mayor, he is focusing on issues, which affect all Houstonians yet are ignored by local press and politicians.”
Journalists are supposed to side with none of the parties involved, and only provide the relevant facts and information. This is how they keep their reporting unbiased. However, Broze regularly intercedes by incorporating his own opinions into his questions and then tends to guide the conversation with leading questions. He is not presenting an unbiased look at the “no virus” position to his viewers. He is flavoring it with his own opinion and interpretations that were seemingly gathered from a few conversations he had with Drs. Andrew Kaufman and Tom Cowan, as well as authors Dawn Lester and David Parker. While Broze says that the “no virus” position raises interesting questions and points, he seems disinterested in truly exploring them and has mostly written the position off as a “rabid” base that he must appease by occasionally asking questions and misrepresenting our position to his guests.
If he is going to ask questions about the “no virus” position and attempt to represent our side fairly, Derrick has a responsibility as an investigative journalist to fully research the topic in order to present it accurately to his guests and his viewers. He should do so without coloring our position with his own opinions, especially as to a “rabid” social media base or the idea of a CIA psy-op bent on infiltration. If he is not clear about our position, there are many other great people to learn from including Dr. Stefan Lanka, Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey, Dr. Jordan Grant, Dr. Amandha Vollmer, Dr. Kevin Corbett, etc. All he has to do is ask and we will be more than happy to enlighten him further.
Derrick stated in his interview with Corbett that this is not about censoring the “no virus” position. While it is true that he is not outright censoring us, Broze doesn't seem to want to include our position as a part of the conversation going forward in regard to bringing about lasting solutions and change. This, in turn, is keeping people away from an important discussion that will help to free them from the medical cartel. Broze’s reluctance to discuss this topic was evidenced by exchanges with Alec Zeck about a recent event that they both participated in. While I was not involved in this event in any way, I will do my best to summarize the situation as accurately as possible based upon what I know.
In a January 2023 event called “The Greater Reset,” Alec was invited as a speaker. Doing what he does best, Alec brilliantly provided the case for why germ theory and virology are pseudoscience during his presentation in order to help dispel the fear of pathogenic entities. This apparently was not to the liking of Derrick and others leading the event. This was pointed out by Alec in a recent tweet that Derrick responded to, stating that the “no virus” topic was not to be included in the event as it does not offer practical solutions that help us to escape the slavery system.
It really surprised me that Derrick is under the impression that exposing the germ theory fraud and unshackling the masses from the grips of the pharmaceutical cartel does not offer a practical solution to help us escape the slavery system. This response didn't sit well with me nor with Alec. He pressed Broze about the inclusion of Del Bigtree, asking what solutions he offered during the event. Alec also challenged Derrick on why the “no virus” conversation is not a part of the solution. This was something that I wanted further clarity on as well.
Derrick shared a private message from Telegram between himself and Alec explaining that, while Del had no solutions to offer, he was there to “pump up the crowd.” Alec challenged Derrick to show how his own presentation helping others to let go of the fear of germ theory is not solution oriented. Sadly, that thread went silent.
In a separate exchange related to the Bigtree topic, Derrick answered another user, Greg Shantz, regarding the lack of a solution offered by Del. Broze doubled down on his hypocritical explanation of including Del, a speaker without solutions who was there to “pump up the crowd,” while disparaging Alec, a speaker who actually provided a solution with his presentation.
While I am not certain what Del spoke about at the event, I jumped in with my own thoughts on how Del regularly “pumps up the crowd” with talk about bioweapons, gain of function myths, “safe” vaccines, and the existence of invisible boogeymen. In my opinion, based upon what I have seen, Del promotes fear. This, to me, is not a practical solution. Broze argued that Del spoke about none of those things at the event and that we, on the “no virus” side, are too narrow in our focus on germ theory and virology. However, I was focused on the content Del regularly ptoduces on The Highwire and that his message is aimed at promoting fear when discussing those topics to his viewers as the truth. We can promote solutions without repeating the pharmaceutical propaganda.
While I understand that there are other important issues to address that go beyond germ theory and virology, I fail to see how this topic should not be at the forefront when looking for solutions, especially factoring in all that we have endured over the past three years. Derrick did not seem to like my question probing him as to why this topic was not a part of the solution. He brushed it off, telling me to do my thing and that he will do his. When I clarified that he was not providing a direct response, he implied that my asking for one was reflecting my attitude of entitlement. It's an odd position to take for someone who regularly interviews others.
While I understand that there are other important issues to address that go beyond germ theory and virology, I fail to see how this topic should not be at the forefront when looking for solutions, especially factoring in all that we have endured over the past three years. Derrick did not seem to like my question probing him as to why this topic was not a part of the solution. He brushed it off, telling me to do my thing and that he will do his. When I clarified that he was not providing a direct response, he implied that my asking for one was reflecting my attitude of entitlement. It's an odd position to take for someone who regularly interviews others.
In a separate conversation with another user, I pointed out that no one was trying to force Derrick into any position. My intent was simply to understand why he felt that discussing the lack of scientific evidence for germ theory/virology was not a solution. If we expose this centuries old lie, we can bring down the pharmaceutical-industrial complex built upon it. Derrick jumped in and once again painted our side as “rabid” (ironic) and that the discussion was not essential. It seemed to me that he was judging our position based upon Twitter comments and social media interactions. However, Derrick clarified that he based his views on his interactions with Dr. Cowan, Dr. Kaufman, as well as Dawn Lester and David Parker. It is a truly great line-up representing our position, so I am at a loss as to how Derrick still seems unclear about our argument.
Regardless, Derrick seems intent on painting our side as “rabid” and “entitled” due to the fact that we want our position at the table when it comes to speaking about solutions. I do not consider our base “rabid.” I consider them passionate about spreading the truth of the matter, which is that there is no scientific evidence supporting germ theory and virology. If he has any misunderstandings about our position, all he has to do is ask.
Derrick said that he does not jump on bandwagons and that he takes the time to research a topic before forming an opinion. However, based upon what I have seen, it does not seem that he has truly researched this topic as he is still not clear as to what our position is. Instead, he has decided that the “no virus” issue is not crucial to bringing about lasting change. While he claims that we have interesting questions and valid points, he is disinterested in pursuing them. He has somehow come to the conclusion that both terrain theory and germ theory can work together.
Thus, I want to know what research Derrick has done on this topic outside of his four interviews. What information did he see that left him unconvinced about our position? Did he read any of the foundational virology papers looking to see if they actually contained evidence derived from the scientific method? What contagion experiments convinced him that germ theory has any validity whatsoever? Did he read about the failed human-to-human transmissions experiments conducted by Milton Rosenau in 1918 during the height of Spanish flu, considered the most infectious and deadly “virus” of all time? How much of the history of germ theory did he investigate? Did he take the time to read Robert Koch's experiments with bacteria and his failures to satisfy his own logical postulates? Did he look into Louis Pasteur's unethical and fraudulent rabies experiments that were exposed by Pasteur's own notebooks? Did he read John Franklin Enders 1954 measles paper that established as well as disproved the cell culture process that is still used to “isolate viruses” today? What scientific evidence convinced Derrick that there is any truth in germ theory and virology at all and that they can coexist with terrain theory?
These are not just questions that I would like Derrick to answer, but also Robert Kennedy Jr., Del Bigtree, and anyone else within the health freedom community who continues to promote the existence of pathogenic “viruses” and bacteria. If anyone in the health freedom community is going to parrot the mainstream narrative that these entities are pathogens capable of bringing about and spreading disease, as well as that they can be engineered into dangerous bioweapons, they must show us the evidence derived from the scientific method that supports this belief, just as we ask any virologist, microbiologist, scientist, doctor, etc. to do as well. Please share the necessary scientific evidence that should be included in any foundational paper claiming the existence of any “virus” with us if you remain unconvinced.
If you can not provide this evidence, ask yourself why it does not exist. Ask yourself how germ theory and virology were scientifically validated without adherence to the scientific method. What you will see is that the evidence supporting germ theory and virology that has been piling up for centuries is, in fact, by definition, pseudoscience. Once you realize that our pharmaceutical-industrial complex was built on top of pseudoscientific fraud, you will see that exposing this lie to the masses ends this corrupt system. There will be no more ability for those in control to use the fear of the pathogenic entity in order to bring about destructive lockdowns, quarantines, social distancing, mass testing, forced business closures, travel restrictions, mask and vaccine mandates, etc. Once people realize that they were knowingly lied to for over two centuries about the nature of health and wellness, they will start to examine what other areas they were lied to about as well. Exposing the germ theory lie has the potential to bring about a domino effect of realization that, if we were lied to about the “science” of “viruses,” we may have also been lied to about the “science” of other topics such as climate change.
Thus, exposing the fraud of germ theory is vitally important. It has the potential to bring about real and lasting change. It can cascade into other areas while saving many lives in the process. This topic must be at the forefront of any discussions involving solutions. This is not to say that the other topics are not important. It is to say that exposing germ theory may very well be the most pressing one that has the most potential for an immediate impact.
Continuing to play within the germ theory playbook, discussing gain of function, bioweapons, PCR fraud, the ineffectiveness of the restrictive measures enacted, the need for “safer” vaccines, etc. will ultimately get us nowhere. Going down this road continues to promote the lie and takes us further away from the truth. If those within the health freedom community continue to promote pathogens, knowing full well that the scientific evidence does not exist, in order to try and “win” the game, they are no better than the people and organizations they rally against that also promote these same lies. We will not win by playing their game and hiding the truth. In order to really win, we must expose the lies and the corruption. We must blow up the game board and change the playbook. It is far past time to bring this discussion to the table. Failing to do so at this moment in time is an incredible blunder, i.e. a stupid and careless mistake.
Dr. Tom Cowan wrote a brilliant piece for the Weston A. Price Foundation on what makes us ill that challenges us to really think about what we “know.”
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/what-makes-us-sick/#gsc.tab=0
looked at the importance of bringing to light the lack of scientific evidence for pathogens in her latest.
examined the dangerous toxic HIV drug Truvada and the lawsuits currently cropping up.
looked at the similarities between ionizing radiation poisoning and contagion in the first part of a two-part investigation.
took issue with Dr. Peter McCullough promotion of the pharmaceutical fear propaganda known as vaccine shedding.
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About the initial note, it took me too long to start considering that the virus might not be real, and then I started researching. I never thought the methods of virology were so dubious. I resisted for a few more months, but what really convinced me was the history. Too much ass covering everywhere, especially with the 1918 flu epidemic. Then I read the Rosenau experiments. I never laughed so hard reading a scientific study. It's incredible: the guy was sad because he used science correctly to disprove what he was hire to prove, and in failing he succeeded.
In the end, people get sick and we don't know what happened. Only unproven conjectures. And many students of medicine believe now that those flimsy theories and experiments are gospel truth. The smart ones see the truth and that's usually the end of their career.
Later I read that the numbers of the 1918 Spanish flu have nothing to do with an epidemic. At his point I don't know what is an epidemic. Are all "true" epidemics (high mortality, new disease) merely a political attack? What about the Plague of Athens that killed Pericles? What if that was a mass poisoning event because the oligarchs couldn't get rid of Pericles through simple assassination?
And the 1665 London plague? Those years were *very* intense politically (the Puritans killed the King using the arguments of the Jesuits, which is pretty funny if you think about it.)
To kill enemies from the rival gangs it's better to use it a huge smokescreen, like an epidemic. And there is no point in waiting for it to happen naturally. Better do it yourself.
In short, Broze, Bigtree and now even Corbett and their ilk are saying:
"It is unimportant to expose this - even if it is a monumental lie. While we grudgingly have to accept that it might be a huge lie, anyone who thinks that it is important is just harming our efforts to expose all the lies that ONLY exist because of what might be that initial, monumental lie.
So, we have no desire to research the validity of that monumental lie, that is at the root of all the lies that followed its unquestioned acceptance. Therefore, we feel entitled to call anyone asking for proof of what has been claimed as people suffering from a sense of entitlement and 'rabid'. We also feel entitled ourselves to only talk about what we want to talk about as we hypocritically accuse them of doing that."
This lot are showing that they are petrified of the prospect of viruses being exposed as a pure invention. They 'need' viruses to exist now because, despite their empty claims, they are not, nor have they ever been, in the business of searching for the truth on this subject.
They are searching for donations!
And viruses being exposed as a pharmaceutical industry myth would end that particularly lucrative, donation gravy train.